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This re-release is part of a retrospective celebrating 10 years of a gay and a non-gay

and the big conversations that helped change our world.

A gay and non-gay is a podcast from James Barr and Dan Hudson.

Two unlikely friends take on the world.

Hello, welcome to a gay and non-gay.

Today, we're joined by Fat Mike.

Now, I'm led to believe that's not an offensive thing to say

because Mike has called himself Fat Mike and he's fat my

friend Vanessa is fat and she's always saying I wish people will just call me fat

rather than beating around the bush I completely feel that it's like when people say to me

oh you don't have red hair you have like Auburn hair or oh you're like a strawberry

blonde and I'm like no I have ginger hair like let's just

call it ginger hair yeah trying to make me feel better because you think there's shame around

having ginger hair but actually I have ginger hair and I'm very happy that I have ginger hair

so you might be wondering who fat Mike is in the punk world he's as legendary as it gets by the way

he's the frontman of pioneering punk band Nerfx he's the legendary as it gets, by the way. He's the frontman of pioneering

punk band Nerfx. He's the bassist in MeVvers and the Gimmie Gimmies. He's the founder of Fat Rec Chords, which is one of the most successful independent labels. By the way, if you enjoy this interview, you've got to pick up the Nerfx book, The Hepatitis Bath Tub. Even if you just don't care about punk at all.

If you've got no interest in punk rock music,

it is such a good read.

And actually, that's sort of the same for today's episode. Like, even if you don't care or know about punk, like me, it's actually just the most hilarious interviewer, I think, I've ever done. So, No Effects are a legendary punk band, they're one of my favorite all-time bands. And they just released

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