Hey, everybody, what's going on? Rob Cestrino, and I'm back with another edition of Survivor

burning question. And I really appreciate all of the amazing feedback that I've gotten

about this series. It's been really, really fun for me to go and get into the weeds talking

some survivor with you every week. And so I think this is going to be a really fun one

today after this week's episode because this week on Survivor, we saw Matt go from a pretty

comfortable position in the game to being voted out in the latest version of the split

tribe twist. Now, Matt clearly had not played a perfect game, but the survivor gods threw

him a curveball and placed him in a very bad spot. Matt and Brandon had a conversation

in this episode that I feel like really captures the essence of survivor. Matt talked about

his situation with Brandon and Jamie. You want to believe that the person who's like

the best at survivor like does the best. And that's not always nice.

Now while I think Matt makes really interesting observation about the nature of the game,

maybe this wasn't the ideal audience for this conversation because it kind of implies

that he's playing the best and the people that are going to advance specifically the people

he's talking to are not playing the best. But Brandon says something that I think is super

interesting to discuss. And this is something that has been debated for years on reality TV,

Big Brother Legend Dan Geesling, who once turned a very bleak situation around with Dan's funeral

has said, there's always a way out. I asked Matt about this during my exit interview if he thought

Brandon was right or wrong. You like to think that you know the best player always wins and you

like to think that yeah it's always in your hands. But the truth of it is it's I don't think that's

true. Like I really I mean I'm not bitter. I don't want to come across as bitter or like upset.

But I really every other permutation of those rocks I think I do better like I'm in a fine

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