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slash learn portraits. Hey everybody and welcome to the

to the improved photography podcast I'm your host Jim Harmer and today I'm

joined by two of the writers on the improved photography website Kirk Bergman who is a real estate photographer and a landscape photographer in Utah and Julian Baird landscape photographer from the UK.

Hey guys.

Hey Jim.

Well, thanks for being on to talk about this.

I'm glad to have you guys because both of you guys shoot landscape photography in addition

to other things. And so in our first segment today,

we're gonna talk about 10 tips for better landscape photography.

Just 10 things that have kind of been on our minds

and things that we're working on have been and have been helpful.

And then after the break we're going to talk about the dark side of the photography business,

which is one of Kirk's articles that went up on the website this week

and has been really popular, so we wanted to kind of discuss

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