Welcome back to the place we find ourselves, the podcast where we not only talk about all things related to story, trauma and therapy,

but also have the privilege of hearing some of the sacred real-life stories of interview guests.

I'm Adam Young and this is episode 10, The Trauma of Abandonment with Gary Barclow.

In today's episode, Gary talks about how he came to realize that his experiences with his mom and dad

were having a profound effect on how he was living his life as an adult.

He goes on to tell a story that happened when he was 10 years old and he explains how he made a commitment at the end of that incident which would enslave him for years.

Thank you so much for listening. Here's my interview with Gary Barclow.

So can you say a bit about when did you learn that you had a story?

You know, when God brought this to me, this idea that I have a story and really that I have a heart was, was many years ago,

with a man named Brent Curtis, Brent co-wrote the book The Sacred Roe Manson.

He was a good friend of ours, my wife and myself.

And just how this occurred was we knew them. I had actually had them come in.

I had had Brent come in and speak to my staff when I was with athletes in action and really just enjoyed him and was fascinated by his understanding of people, the heart of God.

And so after a period of time, my wife said to me, you know, Gary, I'd really like to go see Brent as a counselor.

There's some things I kind of need to work through and understand.

And I was all for that, you know, just for my wife's heart and whatever would just help her.

And me. And so she went to him and after a couple of weeks, she came back and I was asking her, how was it and what did you talk about and what did you discover?

And she said to me, well, Brent would like to see you next week with me.

And I was excited because I really thought he wanted me to help bring some clarity to Lee and her heart.

And that kind of thing, of course, yes, and of course that he did not go that direction.

He within a few minutes of casual conversation, he started asking me about my story, my life.

And I would say within 15 minutes, he had me sobbing over something in my life, which I was reporting to him is simply a fact.

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