What's up everybody? We have 10-ish minutes here as usual. In fact, we've actually had

a few people say that they enjoy when we go over 10 minutes. So who the fuck is him?

This could be one of those ones that we potentially go over a bit because across the table for

marketing myself, we have Mr. Travis Vogel. He is on the team here at Vortex. He does

a lot of different things. And one of the things he does really well is occasionally when

we have some experiences going on here. He cooks.

I do like to make food for people. It's one of those things that brings everybody together.

It's a cool thing. Absolutely. Now, you have a bit of a background in cooking, right?

You actually went to school. I went to culinary school here locally. It was a great experience.

It was one of those things that when I got out of the army didn't know what to do with

myself. I really like to eat, which hopefully it's showing less and less these days. I try

to work out a little more, but yeah, it's a good thing.

He also goes by Virgil here. So if you hear that slip out, Chef Virgil is sometimes what

he's referred to as around the office. So today we wanted to discuss steaks, the perfect

steak, the very divisive topic of steaks as well. I was going to say your first ever

podcast with us and we're going to throw you to the wall was by giving you a topic that

nobody agrees on. Yeah, I feel like you said, everybody, this is one where everybody thinks

they're right, including me. I showed Travis a picture of what I thought was the perfect

steak. And he goes, yeah, you're pretty close. And I'm like, no, incorrect. You 100%

were close. Mad respect, yo, but like not quite. Yeah. It wasn't the affirmation I was

looking for. It's one of those things that the methodology of steak has changed forever

and ever, as we're continually all of these new cooking methods are coming about and even

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