Have you ever wondered what a sandwich sounds like?

Not much to it, is there?

Unless, of course, it's a Walker's sandwich.

Mmm, that is good.

Now that's what Asani should sound like.

Go all crisp in with walkers.

Delicious.

Hi there, I'm Jason Gottz, and you're listening to Think Again, a Big Think podcast.

Big Think is an online forum for the world's most interesting thinkers and doers to share their

ideas on video.

Since 2008, we've shared over 10,000 of them.

And on the Think Again podcast, we surprise our guests and me, your host,

with unexpected clips unearthed from these labyrinthine archives, and then we talk about them.

I am honored today to be joined by Mark Epstein, psychiatrist and author of many influential

books about the intersection of Buddhist thought and psychotherapy, including thoughts without

a thinker, going to pieces without

falling apart, and the trauma of everyday life. Welcome to think again, Mark. Thank you. I'm hoping

this show will not be part of the trauma of your everyday life. It is already. Excellent. Okay, so

here's how this works. Our producers have chosen short surprise interview clips for us to listen to and discuss, and they could be on any subject and they're a surprise to me too. Shall we begin?

Let's go. Fantastic. What's up first, Erin? This is Kate Sukle on how love affects the brain.

I think that the revolution in neuroscience is sort of happening in two

fronts. One is the study of epigenetics. And the best way to think of the epigenome is that if our

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