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Today I'll be speaking with Jerry Coin. Jerry is a biologist at the University of Chicago,

and he's written over 100 scientific papers and several books, the most recent of which

is Faith vs. Fact, why science and religion are incompatible, and I highly recommend

that you pick it up. Jerry is one of the more frequent and articulate commentators on the

clash between scientific and religious ways of thinking, and he's been a colleague and

comrade and friend in this area for several years. I should probably apologize for the

audio here. We did this interview remotely, and the recording of Jerry's voice, especially

leaves something to be desired, but you can hear the clarity of his thinking nonetheless.

So without further ado, I bring you Jerry Coin. Hey Jerry, how you doing?

Find yourself. I'm good. I'm good. Well, thank you for taking the time to do this. You

are the first proper interview on my podcast, which makes me happy. I'm honored.

Nice. Well, I was trying to remember where we met. Was that in Mexico at the Ciudad de

Laci Deis conference? Yeah, that's the first time I met you. It might have been the first

time I met Dan, and certainly the first time I met Hitch, and the last time as well.

That was a good conference. It was a surprisingly well-organized one. Yeah, unfortunately I had

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