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building software for the people who build the world. Hi there and welcome to this the best off episode of an hour also with

Sue Perkins I'm gonna start with some thank yous. First of all, of course, my

wonderful guests who gave their time to come and sit with me in a warm cupboard and

chat about shit. I'd like to thank all of our sponsors who support this

podcast to Mike and Karen audio boom to Debbie Ruth and Charlene at Curtis

Brown and waiting for Smith whose music you've heard throughout the series you can

check out his new track so much love

which is available now on Spotify and you can find him on Instagram.

Most of all I want to thank my wonderful producer Dan, the Titian Love God who has sat and listened to my burblings for weeks on end.

Where the desert feasts,

so is this your first podcast Mary? I don't even know what a podcast is to me and beans come in

pods and you take out the beans I have no idea what I don't

know whether I presume it's not television because there are no cameras but we've got

microphones so I imagine it'll go on a little disc or perhaps it'll come

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