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Hello and welcome to another of Deep State Radio's one-on-one conversations with experts and leading thinkers. I'm David Rothkov, your host. I am neither an expert nor a leading thinker. But with us is Jonathan Greenblatt who runs the anti-defamation

league and with whom I worked many years ago in the Warren Harding administration, but who is extremely well preserved.

You know, you know,

you know, you know,

Jonathan, you know, we're here at a moment just after the election.

And the story immediately prior to the election

was of this horrific violence that was a sort of manifestation of the hate and tensions that have built up

in the United States over the course of the past couple of years. the settle down and yet there are a lot of reasons to believe that it might actually

get worse perhaps as presidents of tensions surrounding the president grow

worse or as tensions between the parties grow worse or as tensions between the parties grow worse or as hate groups grow

more fearful of what might be coming their way in the future. And I'm wondering

as you look at this and reflect on this period and this turning point, what do you see ahead of us?

Well, I think it's a good question, David. I think there are a few things to think about. So number one, we've seen since 2016 arise in

hate crimes to the United States and specifically arise in anti-Semitic incident.

So the ADO, we've been tracking anti-Semitic incidents in particular for the past 40 years.

And last year we saw 57% overall surge, the largest single year spike we've ever

recorded, you know, again since the 1970s. We always thought there was a little bit of a silver lining because while forms of harassment

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