Welcome to a special edition of the No Dunks podcast. I'm Leilis. I've got Tas and Tray here with me,

and of course the man making the magic happen, JD. Today we are joined by a very special guest.

He is the vice chairman of Charlotte Hornets Sports and Entertainment.

He's been one of Michael Jordan's closest and most trusted advisors for decades.

He was a co-producer of Space Jam and is an executive producer of the ratings hit 10-part documentary The Last Dance.

He is Curtis Polk. Curtis, thanks for joining us today.

Thanks so much for having me today.

Well, let's start with the ratings, Curtis, for the documentary.

We're four episodes in, and according to ESPN, we have averaged 6 million viewers for each episode,

and now with additional reporting available.

Episode 1 is up over 9 million million and episode two is closing in on

nine million right now. How do those numbers align with what you had hoped for when the series

was released two weeks ago? You know, we really didn't have a lot of transparency into that.

Obviously, with everybody at home, we thought that the numbers were likely

to be large, but just to give you perspective, the two largest audiences that watched a first-run

version of a sports documentary in the history of the United States were Bono's, which a 30 for 30 that was played, I think, in 2011 or 12, right after the Heisman Trophy Award was given out on a Saturday night.

And that, I think, had about 3.6 million viewers for the first time.

And OJ documentary that ESPN did did and it debuted on a Sunday night on ABC TV I believe either I think

right before or after an NBA finals broadcast it had about 3.3 million viewers.

So, you know, the 6 million was about double, you know, for the first run of it.

My understanding is we're also over 9 million now when you take into account people who watched a rerun of it last week or at DVR did or did a streaming view on ESPN Plus.

Well, as I mentioned there, we are four episodes in and, you know, it's been great for me and

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