For Pacifica Radio, January 30th, 2022, I'm Scott Horton.

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today's guest, the great Dave De Camp, news editor at anti-war.com.

Welcome back to the show.

How you doing, sir?

Good Scott. Thanks for having me back on.

Very happy to have you here and there's such important news. I think if we can we'll try to do half Yemen, half Ukraine today, but let's start with the crisis in Ukraine.

What exactly in your estimation is the threat of war and what's behind the hype in the news right now?

Well, I mean, that's a good question.

You know, I've been saying kind of the whole time that I never thought Russia was was going to invade Ukraine

you know they don't really have an interest in in doing that and there's been all the

hype around what they call the Russian troop buildup on the Ukrainian border,

which is really just Russia reinforced their bases in Western Russia and on the Crimean Peninsula.

And you know, the narrative has really been falling apart. You know, it's been, what is it, it's almost February.

The US has been telling us that Russia is going to invade Ukraine since like the beginning of November, like the first half in November.

So we're all still waiting for this. it's like the beginning of November, like the first half of November.

So we're all still waiting for this invasion.

But now the narrative is really crumbling because you have an

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