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This is Sarah Stewart-Hawlins. This is Beth Silvers. You're listening to Pantsuit

Politics. Today we're going to talk about how Congress is pretty testy right now. And the House of Representatives at least seems to be

just full on broken. Members are retiring. They're mad about lots of things. And that list of things

that they're mad about includes the Epstein files. We are going to talk today with an expert. We've been trying to think

about how to cover this story carefully, and we decided to just go to the person who knows the most.

That is Julie K. Brown, the Miami Herald investigative reporter who literally wrote the book,

Perversion of Justice, on Jeffrey Epstein. So she joins us to talk about her reporting and what she is and is not

paying attention to right now. And then outside of politics, we're going to talk about our

holiday traditions and how they are changing, especially as our kids get older. We also wanted to

just mention before we begin that we hope you'll make Pantsuit Politics part of your holiday

traditions. Or at least your gift-giving traditions.

We don't need you to, like, talk about us at the holiday dinner table, unless you're called to.

If there's somebody at the dinner table you're dreading talking to, can we recommend our book?

I think you're wrong, but I'm listening, a guide to Grace-filled political conversations.

We also have another book, Now What, How to Move Forward When We're Divided about basically everything in our turbulent times. We have written these books

to be a friend through hard conversations. We're particularly proud of our audiobooks. So if that's the

kind of book you can give to someone without it feeling like, I'm trying to fix you because we

don't make people our projects, then give one of our two books this holiday season. And if you have someone in your life who regularly says, Sarah and Beth said this, maybe they would like to hear from us directly. We love recording personal messages for listeners. We do that directly through our website. We'll put the link in the notes. We have a little discount on those in the month of December, 10% off with the code holiday cheer. We'll put that in there too. You don't have to remember. But we love being able to speak to people personally and directly. And it makes an excellent gift. Please just make sure that you order that gift by December 12th so that we record it and get it back to you in time. Next up, let's talk about what's going on with Congress.

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