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Wrongful Conviction

#096 Jason Flom and Laura Nirider with Brendan Dassey

Wrongful Conviction

Lava for Good Podcasts

True Crime

4.45.8K Ratings

🗓️ 2 October 2019

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

This special edition of Wrongful Conviction features Jason Flom’s exclusive interview with Brendan Dassey from behind bars—the only interview ever conducted with Brendan. The case against Brendan, and his uncle Steven Avery, is the subject of Netflix’s hit series Making a Murderer. In 2006, 16 year old Wisconsin special education student Brendan Dassey gave a videotaped confession to the murder and sexual assault of a young woman named Teresa Halbach. That confession – extracted from Brendan after four interrogations over a 48 hour period – has been widely recognized as false and coerced due to Brendan’s inability to describe the crime accurately without being told the "right" answers by his interrogators. In fact, Brendan recanted his confession immediately, and no evidence connects him to Halbach’s disappearance. Nonetheless, he was convicted based on that confession and sentenced to life in prison with no chance for parole before 2048. In 2016, two courts threw out Brendan's confession and overturned his conviction – and Brendan came within twelve hours of release – before a federal appeals court reversed course on legal grounds. After visiting Brendan in prison, Jason Flom and Brendan’s attorney, Laura Nirider of the Center on Wrongful Convictions, unravel the case as Brendan joins them by phone from behind bars. Their conversation touches on hope, resilience, and the fact that Brendan – who will turn 30 on October 19, 2019 – has already lost fourteen of his life to wrongful imprisonment.

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0:00.0

Welcome back to Ronfell Conviction with Jason Flom, you know.

0:05.6

Many of our listeners, most of our listeners, have seen the Netflix original series making

0:09.7

a murderer.

0:10.7

It's the story of Stephen Avery, a guy from the wrong side of the tracks whose family

0:14.9

owned an auto salvage yard in Manitouac, Wisconsin.

0:18.3

It starts off in 1985, wherein Stephen Avery was wrongfully convicted of a sexual assault

0:23.6

for which he was exonerated 18 years later when the DNA and the case was found to match

0:28.7

another man, and his alibis were proven to have been true all along.

0:34.2

After his release in 2003, Avery filed a $36 million civil suit against Manitouac County

0:40.3

Wisconsin and several of its officials.

0:43.2

Fast forward to 2005, Theresa Hallback, a photographer known to have been photographing

0:48.2

cars on the Avery property when missing.

0:50.9

The handling of the investigation was quite controversial to say the least with issues

0:55.0

of evidence tampering, not to mention the obvious conflict of interest in allowing Manitouac

1:00.0

County to investigate the very same man who was suing them for $36 million.

1:05.8

However, all of that aside, the most damning piece of evidence came in the form of a false

1:11.8

confession from Avery's nephew, Brandon Dassy, a 16 year old boy with no criminal record

1:18.6

and serious mental challenges.

1:21.6

Now I'm honored to present the exclusive, the one and only interview that Brandon has

1:27.0

ever given to anyone.

1:29.7

Joining us is esteemed appellate attorney from the Center on Romple Convictions at Northwestern

1:34.7

University, my friend, Laura Nyrider.

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