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The Addicted Mind Podcast

09: How Motivational Interviewing Changes the Brain with Dr. Tony Mele

The Addicted Mind Podcast

Duane Osterlind, LMFT

Medicine, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.7655 Ratings

🗓️ 19 September 2017

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

As therapists, we hear about Motivational Interviewing (MI) all the time. It's a technique that therapists can use to bring forward the ambivalence that a person with an addiction has, towards resolving that addiction. It's well regarded and it's a fairly well-researched intervention for people with addictions, but still, a lot of the people looking for treatment, or even those who have been in treatment, don't really seem to know what it is, or why we would use it in a treatment setting. 

Today's guest, Dr Tony Mele, is the Chief Clinical Officer at Sovereign Health. He's on the show today because he came to our agency recently and did an incredible training on Motivational Interviewing, where he was able to really go in depth and look at how Motivational Interviewing actually works with the brain, to bring about change. Listen in to find out more about what Motivational Interviewing is all about and how it can be used effectively, within the treatment setting. 

 

Show highlights:

 

  • Dr Mele gives some important information about Motivational Interviewing.
  • Dr Mele explains the ambivalence within people with addictions.
  • Many people with addictions will describe a loss, when asked about what life without addiction would be like for them.
  • MI could be described as a language, to help the patient to begin looking at their own behaviour differently.
  • Dr Mele describes in practical terms, how one would converse with a patient, using MI to bring their contradictions to the forefront.
  • Dr Mele explains cognitive dissonance, which you will wind up facing, as a therapist using MI.
  • If cognitive dissonance doesn't come up in therapy, you will maintain the addiction, so as a therapist, you want the patient to feel the discomfort that it brings.
  • Working with the patient in the decision-making process.
  • The link between the emotional centre (the amygdala) and the memory centre (the hippocampus) in the brain. 
  • Addiction produces a positive feeling, so as a therapist, you need to help the people to begin to think differently.
  • How MI differs from the 'old school' treatment. 
  • Dopamine and addicted behaviour. 
  • The assumptions that are associated with the MI technique.
  • There is a fair amount of cognitive skill, which is required on the part of the patient, to effectively use MI.
  • Some examples of Motivational Interviewing questions.

 



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Transcript

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0:00.0

So I'm very excited about this next guest, Dr. Tony Mealy.

0:08.4

He came to our agency at Novis to do a training on motivational interviewing.

0:15.0

And what was great about it is that he was really able to go in depth and look at not just

0:20.4

what motivational interviewing is,

0:22.4

but how it works with the brain to create change. And so I was excited to ask him to be part of

0:29.8

this podcast. And I approached him and I said, hey, would you be willing to do this? And I was very

0:34.5

excited that he said yes. So here he is and I hope you guys enjoy.

0:39.9

Hello everyone. Welcome to the Addicted Mind podcast. I have a great guest today, Dr. Tony

0:46.1

Mealy. He's the chief clinical officer at Sovereign Health. And the reason I have him here today

0:53.1

is that he came to our agency and did an incredible

0:55.6

training on motivational interviewing and why you'd want to use that at a treatment agency. And I thought,

1:02.4

you know, I would love to have Tony here to talk about that and share that knowledge and how they

1:08.0

use that at Sovereign Health and in their treatment center. So

1:11.3

welcome, Tony. Thank you. Well, thank you, Dwayne. It's great to be here. Definitely, I really

1:16.8

appreciated our time together a couple of weeks ago with your staff. So I appreciate this opportunity.

1:22.4

Oh, yeah, it was great. And it was such a great presentation. So I thought our audience would really love to kind of hear about this. We hear about motivational interviewing all the time. You know, as therapists, we hear about it. People talk about it. But I don't think a lot of people who maybe are looking for treatment or seeking treatment or have been in treatment, know what that is or why

1:45.3

we'd even use motivational interviewing in a treatment setting. So can you kind of give us a little

1:50.3

bit of information about what is motivational interviewing? Sure, sure. I think you're correct. Pretty

1:57.4

much everyone right now has kind of jumped on the motivational interviewing bandwagon.

2:02.5

It is definitely a well-regarded, fairly well-researched intervention for folks who have addiction.

2:11.8

So as a result, many therapists have received some training or at least have a rudimentary understanding of

2:18.0

motivational interviewing. For shorthand, I'll occasionally refer to as simply as MI. So,

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