In episode 89 of the Mind Shift Podcast, Aaron McManus joins his father, Erwin Raphael McManus, to discuss the release of two powerful podcast episodes, including a now-viral clip with Tim Ross. The episode, originally recorded at the Mosaic Conference in Los Angeles, sparked massive engagement online, drawing millions of views and hundreds of thousands of interactions. Aaron reflects on the confusion surrounding its release timing, while Erwin offers a behind-the-scenes look at the discussion’s origins. The episode sets the tone for a thought-provoking exploration of theology, mythology, and the radical act of questioning long-held assumptions.

The viral clip, centered on the provocative question “Did Eve Sin?”, ignited waves of online dialogue. Erwin dives into the story’s complexity, challenging how traditional interpretations may have oversimplified it. Aaron highlights how the clip’s traction signals a cultural appetite for deeper, less dogmatic conversations around faith. They tease another clip in which they question whether humans may have once possessed capabilities like flight or aquatic life, referencing the biblical mandate to rule over land, sea, and sky. These conversations push the boundaries of conventional theological thinking, inviting listeners to engage their imaginations.

Building on these themes, Erwin and Aaron speculate on the human condition before the biblical fall. Erwin suggests that stories like Aquaman or Superman might be more than fiction—they could be remnants of ancient memory. The act of Adam naming every animal becomes a focal point for exploring humanity’s pre-fall brilliance and creative authority. Erwin stresses that exploring such possibilities is not heretical but deeply biblical when approached with humility and curiosity. Rather than seeking to prove mythologies, he emphasizes the need to rediscover wonder in the scriptural narrative.

A core tension in the conversation is between systematic theology and biblical theology. Erwin critiques systematic theology as a structure of invented truths that can exclude or delegitimize those who don’t fit its mold. In contrast, biblical theology is framed as a pursuit of discovered truth—a lived relationship with God that transcends doctrinal rigidity. They share stories of theological gatekeeping and reflect on how some religious systems elevate intellectual frameworks over genuine spiritual transformation. Erwin advocates for a theology that starts with love and leads to relationship, not just belief.

The episode culminates in a passionate defense of free will as essential to love and God’s character. Erwin challenges deterministic frameworks like Calvinism, arguing that a God who orchestrates everything for His own glory alone is not consistent with the radical love of Jesus. He expresses a deep trust in the truth of scripture but resists the layers of orthodoxy that have ossified around it. As Aaron reads a quote about the difference between belief and truth, Erwin affirms that Jesus is the truth he builds his life on—not a theory, but a living foundation that invites constant growth, humility, and the freedom to ask better questions.