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Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

084: Role-Play Techniques (Part 2) β€” Paradoxical Double-Standard

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

David Burns, MD

Clinical, Therapy, Anxiety, Psychotherapy, Depression, Health & Fitness, Cognitive, Mentalhealth, Mental Health, Behavior, Education, Self-improvement, Psychology, Relationships, Addiction, Happiness, Personalgrowth

4.4 β€’ 856 Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 16 April 2018

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

David describes watching Dr. Maxy Maultsby do a demonstration of the Double Standard Technique when he was a psychiatric resident in the 1970s at the University of Pennsylvania medical school. He was quite surprised when the patient, who was severely depressed and suicidal following a break-up with her boyfriend, improved dramatically within an hour. David modified the technique in several ways, and tonight will present what is probably the most powerful way to use this technique.

The technique is based on the idea that most of us operate on a double-standard. When we are upset about some failure, mistake, or inadequacy, we tend to beat up on ourselves mercilessly. But if we were talking to a dear friend with the exact same problem, we'd be far more compassionate and realistic. Once you make the patient aware of this double-standard, you ask if he or she would be willing to talk to himself or herself in the same way he or she would talk to a dear friend.

But the unique feature of the way David does it, is that you, the therapist, "become" a dear friend of the patient, kind of like a long-list identical twin who is actually virtually identical to the patient, but a different person. Then the therapist (playing the role of the friend) describe the problem the patient is struggling as if it is your own problem.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast.

0:12.4

I am your host, Fabrice Nye.

0:14.7

And joining me here in the Murrieta Studios is Dr. David Burns.

0:19.0

Hi, David.

0:20.0

Hi, Fabrice.

0:23.8

Dr. David Burns has been a pioneer in the development of cognitive therapy, and he is the creator of the new team therapy. He is the author of

0:30.2

Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States, and has been translated into

0:35.5

over 20 languages.

0:43.0

He is an emeritus adjunct clinical professor of psychiatry at the Stanford University School of Medicine.

0:44.1

Welcome to episode 84 of the Feeling Good podcast.

0:48.7

This is part two of our role-playing techniques today with another member of the Tuesday group.

0:56.8

Hi, Eleanor.

0:57.6

Hi.

0:58.7

And we're going to demonstrate, or David and Eleanor are going to demonstrate today,

1:04.8

the paradoxical double standard technique.

1:08.5

And before starting, maybe David, you want to say a few words about what's paradoxical

1:14.7

about it and what's the double standard part of it?

1:18.4

Okay.

1:19.1

The paradoxical double standard technique is a technique I developed, but it was based on a live

1:25.8

demonstration.

1:27.4

I saw when I was a resident at University of Pennsylvania Medical School, and Maxi Maltzby,

1:35.3

who was one of the early rational emotive therapist and the Albert Ellis type movement,

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