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Mind Shift with Erwin & Aaron McManus

#084 Dreams And Disruption: The Future Of Mosaic

Mind Shift with Erwin & Aaron McManus

Erwin McManus + Aaron McManus

Entrepreneurship, Business

4.81.2K Ratings

🗓️ 2 May 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of the Mind Shift Podcast, Aaron McManus and Erwin McManus is joined by  Carlos Pimentel to unpack the surprising events following Mosaic’s Easter gatherings. With nearly 8,000 people attending across their campuses, the team had just celebrated one of their most impactful weekends. But within days, they received a 60-day notice to vacate their Hollywood location—a decision that shocked the entire community. The team acted quickly, informing leaders, volunteers, and supporters within 48 hours and beginning the process of charting a new course forward.


The conversation dives into the emotional weight of the news, especially given its timing—14 years to the day after Mosaic’s first Hollywood gathering. While the initial reaction was disbelief, the team quickly shifted toward vision and resolve. They emphasize the importance of perspective in leadership, choosing to see this disruption as a moment of divine transition rather than defeat. Erwin reflects on the need for resilience in ministry and the strength that comes from staying rooted in purpose amid uncertainty.


The episode also revisits Mosaic’s long journey with the Hollywood location. Erwin recounts the massive fundraising effort under the “Here to Stay” campaign and the tension of raising millions while still falling short of the full purchase price. Despite the loss of a culturally iconic and spiritually significant space, the team underscores the importance of embracing change, learning from every season, and letting go when necessary to move forward with clarity.


Looking ahead, the team discusses their shift from trying to preserve a single location to building new epicenters across Los Angeles and beyond. They talk about exploring alternative venues, rethinking what community looks like, and leaning into Mosaic’s identity as a movement, not just a place. The lessons learned from the pandemic, especially the need to stay agile and creative, continue to shape how they envision the church's next chapter.


Amid all the transition, excitement builds around the upcoming Mosaic Conference, themed “Dreams.” The event now serves as a marker of change and vision, offering the community a moment to rally together and imagine what comes next. Aaron and Erwin emphasize that this moment isn’t just about losing a space—it’s about gaining momentum. With open hearts and bold plans, they invite listeners to walk with them through uncertainty and into a future filled with possibility

Transcript

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0:00.0

You were listening to the Mind Shift podcast. My name is Aaron McManus, and I'm joined today with two of my

0:05.4

greatest friends, my co-host and father, Earl and Raphael McManus, and my great friend and longtime brother,

0:11.9

Carlos Pleimintel, pastor of Mosaic Hollywood. How are you doing today? I'm doing good. I'm doing good. I'm

0:16.7

doing good. I think this is kind of fun we're doing a hybrid

0:20.9

we're taking our worlds of mind shift and mosaic and having a conversation that's really very

0:27.7

poignant and specific to the community of mosaic yes very very much so and so i think this is something

0:34.7

normally on mosaic's podcast, which is your podcast,

0:38.1

we would post the messages.

0:42.4

Right.

0:43.2

But we wanted to talk about the last week or so post-Easter with all of the crazy things happening

0:50.2

at Mosaic.

0:51.2

And so I don't know how we're going to do this.

0:53.8

We're going to edit around some things,

0:55.5

but we wanted to have a conversation more in a podcast style to break down all the things that need to be

1:00.7

communicated week to week. So how are you? Do you want to walk us through what happened post-Easter?

1:07.3

Yeah, I think maybe at first we'll create a little chronology, right? Because Easter is obviously the biggest weekend of the year for us and really leading up from Palm Sunday. Then Good Friday and then Easter Sunday, which began on Saturday night. So we had all these different gatherings all over the place. And it was an incredible weekend to see thousands upon thousands of people,

1:29.3

nearly 8,000 people in all of our campuses come together for Easter.

1:34.3

And then on the aftermath, that Monday is sort of like the calm after the storm.

1:40.3

Everyone's exhausted, everyone's just absolutely beat,

1:43.3

just trying to recover from all the work of those eight days of incredibly intense work.

1:50.0

And then on Tuesday, came to work. We were already focusing on the next week and the months ahead.

1:57.0

And that afternoon, we received a FedEx package that let us know that we were being given

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