Hey y'all just a quick heads up the episode you're about to listen to is 8 to 10 years old

now these episodes were intended to be evergreen and I still believe there's a lot of good

information in these early episodes, but I do want to let you know that some of my ideas have evolved

over time. Times have changed since we made these episodes and ultimately I'd like to think I've grown

a lot as an artist and a human and that these don't necessarily represent my best work or the best of the podcast.

If you're new around here, I suggest starting with the most recent episode or

at least go back to around 300 and move forward from there.

Enjoy the episode. The greatest gift that the universe can give you is perspective. Hey everybody you're listening to the creative pep talk podcast this show is about

commercial art making good money and making great art I'm your host Andy J

Miller illustration age is our proud syndicate.

You can find this show at Illustration Age.com

slash CreativePet Talk on SoundCloud and iTunes. Today on the show we have a serious treat I almost said tweet we have a serious

but we have a serious treat on the show. We have an interview with none other than the Lisa

Congen. Lisa Congen is an illustrator and hand letter. Her work is fantastic. She's extremely prolific. She has

work all over the gambit in terms of painting, lettering, patterns, all kinds of jazz from all different spectrums of the creative

market.

And you know what?

I was really, really that I could get her on

the podcast because she has a similar passion to me for helping others strike a

balance between business and art and trying to help others navigate

that, those tough waters.

And I just have appreciated that for several years. It's been a thrill to kind of watch from afar. Her work just

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