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Pints With Aquinas

08: Was there death before the fall of man?

Pints With Aquinas

Matt Fradd

Stthomasaquinas, Saintthomasaquinas, Mattfradd, Theology, Catholic, Dominican, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Philosophy

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🗓️ 17 May 2016

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Objection 2: Further, it is unfitting that elements hostile to one another should be brought under the mastership of one. But many animals are hostile to one another, as the sheep and the wolf. Therefore all animals were not brought under the mastership of man.

Reply to Objection 2. In the opinion of some, those animals which now are fierce and kill others, would, in that state, have been tame, not only in regard to man, but also in regard to other animals. But this is quite unreasonable. For then ature of animals was not changed by man's sin, as if those whose nature now it is to devour the flesh of others, would then have lived on herbs, as the lion and falcon. Nor does Bede's gloss on Genesis 1:30, say that trees and herbs were given as food to all animals and birds, but to some. Thus there would have been a natural antipathy between some animals. They would not, however, on this account have been excepted from the mastership of man: as neither at present are they for that reason excepted from the mastership of God, Whose Providence has ordained all this. Of thisProvidence man would have been the executor, as appears even now in regard to domestic animals, since fowls are given by men as food to the trained falcon.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Pines with Aquinas Episode 8.

0:04.4

I'm Matt Fred.

0:06.6

If you could sit down with St. Thomas Aquinas over a pint of beer and ask him any one question,

0:13.6

what would it be?

0:15.2

In today's episode, will our St. Thomas the Question was their death before the fall of Adam

0:21.1

and Eve?

0:32.1

Welcome back to Pines with Aquinas.

0:33.9

This is the show where you and I pull up a bar stall next to the angelic doctor and discuss

0:41.2

theology and philosophy.

0:44.0

As I already mentioned, we'll be discussing the question, was their death before the fall

0:48.7

of Adam and Eve?

0:50.5

But before I get into that, I want to do a shout out to our sponsors for this episode,

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