My guest today says that if evangelicals want to retain their witness or recover their witness for the church,

they'll need to find a different candidate than Donald Trump.

It's time for The Line of Fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown,

your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.

Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and President of Fire School of

Ministry. Get into the line of fire now by calling 86634 Truth. That's 86634 Truth. Here again is Dr. Michael

Brown. We are going to have a very open, candid,

important discussion today. I urge you to listen with open heart, open mind, open ears.

As I speak with my friend and colleague, well-known New Testament scholar Darrell Bach.

Darrell is senior research professor of New Testament Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary,

as well as Executive Director of Cultural Engagement for the Hendricks Center there.

I've got a bit of a bone to pick with him.

He's written more than 40 books, which makes him ahead of me,

but that's the right. So we really want to talk about some very serious issues, about evangelicals

and the culture, about evangelicals and the president, about issues that are highly volatile

like race and racism. And we're going to speak as openly and

candidly as we can, not to be offensive, but to be forthright, to be clear. And here and there,

to bring out certain points, because I'm sure Dr. Bach and I are going to be in substantial

agreement on many and

maybe disagreement on some. I'll take the other side of some positions to see what conclusions

we come to. So with that, Darrell, welcome back to the line of fire. Thanks for joining us.

Oh, Michael, it's great to be with you as always, and it's great to hear your voice after seeing

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