0713 | Houston

True Crime Bullsh**: The Israel Keyes Investigation

Studio BOTH/AND

Society & Culture, True Crime, Documentary

4.6 • 5.2K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2026

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

The team returns to Texas to look at a case, which Jordan has been following for four years, that involves a suspicious death, an arson, and an abandoned house. And this case may just shed light on some of Keyes's odder travels and some new and unsettling information on the Azle bank robbery.

This episode was written, researched, and produced by Jordan Taylor.
With editing and writing by Josh Hallmark.
Additional research assistance by: Michelle Tooker.

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SOURCES
• Houston Police Department Casefile, Case #030249612
• FBI interview with Israel Keyes: 07/12/12
• Harris County Office of Forensic Sciences Report 12-0671
• Houston Fire Department Report 12-0680736
• HOUSTON, TX Weather History | Weather underground. (n.d.). https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/KHOU/date/2012-3-9
• Pinkerton, J. (2014, April 5). HPD sergeant fired, 7 other disciplined in murder case probe. Chon. Retrieved May 26, 2025, from https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/HPD-sergeant-fired-7-others-disciplined-in-5377253.php
• Pearson, L. (n.d.). Who came up with HPD’s “SL” code that suspended 264K cases? Panel identifies former assistant chief. https://abc13.com/amp/post/houston-police-suspended-cases-what-is-sl-code-lack-of-personnel-donald-mckinney/14822151/
• FBI interview with Israel Keyes: 07/10/2012
• James E. Lankford. (2011). Peak DB SPL of various Firearms (5 Miyara, F. (n.d.). A NOTE ON FIRECRACKER’S NOISE. https://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/biblio/firecr1.htm
• In J Am Acad Audiology (Vol. 22, pp. 93–103). https://www.caohc.org/UserFiles/fileShot%20of%20Prevention%20extra%20handout.pdf
• Miyara, F. (n.d.). A NOTE ON FIRECRACKER’S NOISE. https://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/biblio/firecr1.htm
• Azele Police Dept Case # 2012-961

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Transcript

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0:00.0	Before we start the show, I have a few announcements.
0:03.7	We are hosting studio sessions here at Studio Both and in North Adams Mass on March 6th and 7th.
0:11.2	You can join me, Tucker, Shana, and Kaz for a deep dive conversation and research roundtable,
0:17.5	focusing on the Keys case, doze, and new files we've received from the FBI.
0:23.3	To learn more and get your tickets, go to both and.fyi.
0:28.6	Also, we are launching another Trova trip. This time, we are going to Costa Rica, and tickets
0:35.1	go on sale today. After pre-sail, we only have 10 left, so get in there
0:40.4	while the get-in's good. For more information about the trip and to snag your spot, check out the
0:45.9	link in the show notes. And finally, as I mentioned in the last episode, I appeared in the podcast
0:52.5	series, Mind of a Monster, wherein they interview
0:56.3	me, several people close to Keyes, and his army buddy Nathan, who we discussed earlier this season.
1:02.5	To hear Nathan's interview and mine, check out the series now wherever you listen to podcasts.
1:16.6	Music listen to podcasts. This is a studio both and production.
1:34.1	For the majority of this season, we've been focused on Washington State.
1:40.7	As new information has come in and more and more information and files continue to come in,
1:45.4	it's where we think we have the best shot of identifying at least three of Keyes' unknown victims, and we've made great strides over the past nine months in doing so.
1:52.5	However, as we begin to close out the season, we wanted to let those investigations continue
1:58.1	behind the scenes, as we head back to the South on the show,
2:02.7	where new files and information have also shed new light on Kies' activities, and open new leads.
2:10.6	And today we're starting in familiar territory, East Texas.
2:16.4	While we remain confident that Kiesa's time in East Texas involved the abductions and murders of James Lamar Tidwell and Mark Gillian Oldbury,
2:24.3	in addition to his known crimes, the robbery in Azel and arson and Alito,
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