0711 | Infrastructure
True Crime Bullsh**: The Israel Keyes Investigation
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🗓️ 19 January 2026
⏱️ 44 minutes
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This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, and Michelle Tooker.
This episode featured Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, Michelle Tooker, and Shana Wilensky.
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| 0:00.0 | This is a studio both and production. |
| 0:15.5 | Everyone, in this episode, we'll be discussing multiple maps, specifically infrastructure maps, and those will be available on Facebook and Instagram on Tuesday morning if you'd like to use them to follow along. |
| 0:28.6 | This is the easiest one where is that fine? |
| 0:30.6 | Yeah, probably. |
| 0:32.6 | Even with your help, huh? |
| 0:35.6 | You're really close. even with your help, huh? |
| 0:41.4 | You're really close. |
| 0:45.7 | I think you had said like a quarter mile past the parking lot. |
| 0:48.6 | I ended up being about a half mile, but beyond that it was... Yeah. |
| 0:49.6 | Was there something like in the road, |
| 0:53.8 | or how did you know where in the woods it was? |
| 0:56.0 | Just because of the berm or was there like, like, telephone poles or? |
| 1:00.0 | No, just landmarks, like trees, dragways, something like that. |
| 1:05.0 | I actually saw that. |
| 1:06.0 | I think it up, I bet flat shovel would have sucked to actually dig in a hole. |
| 1:10.0 | So here's that dish. I bet he was just gonna fill it in. |
| 1:13.6 | Yeah, it was already dug. |
| 1:18.6 | It was really only room for one person there before, so. |
| 1:26.6 | Back in March of 2025, I was on a six-hour bus ride through the Andes from Santiago to Mendoza. |
| 1:34.4 | It was our first Trova trip and one of the attendees, Kathy Nation, was sharing with me some |
| 1:40.0 | very extensive research she had done on the Keys case, specifically around infrastructure maps. |
| 1:47.5 | This was just a few weeks before I'd find out about Nathan and his story surrounding Keys, |
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