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True Crime Bullsh**

0703 | Little Oklahoma

True Crime Bullsh**

Studio BOTH/AND

True Crime, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.65K Ratings

🗓️ 13 October 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Josh follows up on a new tip from FBI Special Agent Ted Halla. It takes him to familiar ground, both literally and in cases he's looked into previously. This new tip, with some research and fascinating conversations, compels Josh to some interesting and shocking conclusions. 

This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 
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There's a private residence, but it's near Little Oklahoma, which I never heard about

0:42.5

until this particular time, but it's an area in Port Angeles. So you can find it on the map to kind of get

0:47.2

an overview of like, okay, it's this area. And you can reveal the address or anything like that.

0:53.1

But some of the cold case detectives were following up on some leads and stuff and found

0:58.4

this particular residence.

1:00.6

It was associated with a friend of Keyes.

1:03.3

And so interviewing this couple that owned the residents,

1:07.0

they learned that,

1:07.6

yeah, Keyes had his boat in there and was doing a lot of his boat work

1:10.8

at that time at this particular location, which was new to us. We assumed he had hauled the boat

1:17.2

all the way to Nia Bay and was doing a lot of the work on it there. Port Angeles actually makes a lot

1:22.6

of sense because that's where all the stores are where he would have, you know, gone to get supplies

1:27.0

and stuff to

1:27.7

fix up the boat. So it makes perfect sense. But again, another data point where, okay, here's a

1:33.1

location where, you know, he was working on his boat and had access to. And so we've been invited

1:39.1

to go out and take a look at the area in the future and just check it out for whatever may become significant than that.

1:45.6

But that was something new that we learned from this cold case that's been working on this.

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