So, you've probably talked about it elsewhere, but talk about alternative

commencement. How it came about and what the highs and the lows were for you?

Do you want to know why we did it or do you want to know? Okay. Well, I think there

were lots of, there were as many reasons that people did it as there were

people, as is the case with every organization or group. But Cheney got invited

to speak, BYU invited Bush, Bush said no, then Cheney offered to speak, so

they had him come to speak. And everybody was all about it on campus. And since

discussion nights kind of the base for a lot of planning for different things,

everybody's like, so are we having a discussion night about it, blah, blah. So I

started thinking about it and then came up with this idea with my friend Evan to

have an alternative commencement. And we pitched the idea and people liked it

and we started planning for it. And then my ideas just went galloping away and

I was trying to hold on and we invited, you know, Ralph Nader and Jack Healy and

P-Dashdown and it started getting bigger and bigger. We had to raise $25,000 or

$20,000. And in like 14 days or something like that and did venue, do all this

crazy stuff. But I mean, a lot of people did it strictly because they opposed

Dick Cheney. A lot of people did it because of issues of political neutrality. A lot of

people did it for community reasons because Probe was very divisive, you know, and

they were trying to have a conversation about politics. I personally felt like it

was important because I feel that when there is not, when I did it because of personal

liberty issues and I feel like BYU does not allow for people to apply the lessons

that they learn in school to their institution. And that is what I'm most afraid of when

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