Hey guys, this is Jenny Allen and you are listening to the made for this podcast.

David, I'm really excited to have you here today and probably selfishly the reason I'm

most excited to get this conversation is I am a kindred spirit to your zeal.

Like when I see your urgency, I feel it too.

And there's a little bit in me of this feeling of, you know, shouldn't we all feel this way?

If this is all true and this is what I love about your new book, is it just kind of shook

me by the shoulders and said, hey, this is true and this is real.

And I think that other reality that we say we believe in as Christians is the more real

reality.

We know that, but I don't know that we're always living in it.

So I'm excited to discuss what that has looked like for you as somebody that craves

that.

Well, you know, it's interesting.

I don't know, just jumping in, but like I wonder sometimes like, okay, is it just like

my personality or maybe your personality, like maybe more intense in this way or that

way?

And so we're just more laid back.

But and I think obviously we have different personalities, all kinds of different people.

But I think that there is an urgency that is inherent in the gospel and like opening

God's word and looking at realities in the world.

Like, it's just unavoidable, regardless of personality.

So yeah, I look forward to diving in.

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