So, a bunch of years ago, I had read a book, I think I might have mentioned it earlier

this last year, but a book called Night by a man named Elivisel. Elivisel was a prisoner

in a concentration camp during World War II. He's Jewish and his father, he and his father

were carted off. I think Eliv was 13 years old when he and his father were brought to

Dacau or Auschwitz, one of those two concentration camps. In the book, I remember reading at

the time in college and Elivisel, even as a 13 or 14 year old, he recognized that the

more desperate things became, people became one of two different types of people. Some people,

when more desperate things became, they did all they could to get all they could. And so,

the more desperate things became, the more they cracked a grasp on the things and take

from other people, others, the more desperate things became, the more they gave. And I remember

thinking, the circumstances revealed that people were either givers or takers. And I was

haunted by this. I was just like, really, you actually kind of, I don't know, I say

tormented by it, but like really, it still haunts me even now, because I keep asking the

question, okay, which one would I be? In that kind of situation, when those circumstances

are so desperate like this, which one would I be? Would I be a giver or would I be a taker?

And the question, of course, it's not just in those kind of circumstances, what I be a

giver and taker. The big question is, which one am I? Because every one of us, right now,

we don't have to wait for circumstances to get horrible to know, okay, am I a giver or am

I a taker? I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, Cardinal Francis Xavier Nguyen Van Toan,

he was a Vietnamese man who became a priest, he became a bishop. And at one point, the Communist

Party put him in prison and he was in solitary confinement for eight years. He was in prison

totally for 13 years. And he says that one of the great pains he had was that in prison,

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