Welcome to Van Lathons to the Red Hill where we give you the brutal reality of truth.

Today's guest Afon Crockett, comedian, actor, dancer, rapper, and man of God, he is going to tell me all about

the church experience.

Now, I had Natalie, Emmanuel Lee on here,

and she spoke to me.

She is a very anointed, beautiful soul.

I mean, we talked a little bit about why sometimes it's hard for me to go to church.

Aifian, who I've known for a long time, heard that and wanted to give me some knowledge,

give me a download on what the ritual of church means to him

in a grand scheme of religion and also what it means to him personally

and why I might be in his opinion may be a little too fixated on what I think it means to actually be a

church-going member of the Christian community. Very interesting talk to a man who is

incredibly deep and spiritual but who has sort of moved away from the

ritual of church itself.

It answers the question about at this particular point, whether or not we need church. this is for all of my people who have

this is for all of my people who have spirituality in their life don't care what

religion you are do you need that place to go and

fellowship and talk and potentially you're supposed to grow there but is it still that place or is it a place of

judgment and condemnation and pressure?

This is the debate that I've had.

These are the talks that I have with a lot of different people of faith

and a lot of different people who are trying to find God,

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