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Hello everyone and welcome to the Big Picture Retirement Show, where we deliver insight on what you need to know for a meaningful and successful retirement. If you are planning

for or living in retirement, this is the show for you. I'm Devin and John Ross is back with me today.

Hey John. Howdy? John, today we are fortunate enough to have a fantastic guest with us.

Roger Whitney from The Retirement Answer Man Show is coming back on the show.

I like Roger.

Oh, yeah.

Great podcast.

If you haven't checked out that podcast, you absolutely need to.

But he has also released a book, a book called Rock Retirement.

And if you listen to many of Roger's podcast or checking out his website, you'll see that he thinks a little differently about retirement than a lot of traditional financial planners.

So he's kind of like we are, right?

He's not just following the herd on doing the things that everyone else is doing.

He's making some innovations out there.

Yeah, trying to do it a little different, you know, taking a different approach to it.

Yeah. So his whole thing is kind of, you know, how do you balance living well today while you still plan for tomorrow?

And so he's written a book called Rock Retirement and I didn't invite him on specifically to

talk about the book. I just wanted him to come on and talk some more about his approach to

retirement and we did end up talking about the book some and where you can find it. But anyway,

I want to welcome Roger to the show right now. Roger, welcome to the show. Devin, good to be here, man. I'm excited. Well, thank you so much for coming on. Again, this is your second appearance on the big picture retirement show, and we're so honored to have you on. Hey, before we jump into this, I wanted to ask you something. So you've talked a lot lately about the subject of how retirement today may look different from retirement that we saw in the decades past.

But I wanted to ask you about your grandparents.

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