The characteristic mark of hope is that it always looks into the future.

So says Herman Zossa in the March issue of the Lutheran Witness, which is all about hope

and overcoming the quiet despair with which we are so in danger of being overcome in these days.

To find out more about hope, what Christian hope looks like, and what it means to be a hopeful community,

pick up your copy of the March issue of the Lutheran Witness, visit CPH.org

slash witness or Witness-DelsMS.

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We talk about the Saints who have gone before us. We celebrate days in the

Church's calendar to remember particular Saints. We even have All Saints Day to get everybody in there on one

celebration. So what do we need to know about how we ought to remember them and how is their encouragement in knowing that we worship with those Saints, with the Church Triumphant.

I'm Todd Wilkin, welcome back to issues etc.

Joining us to talk about that worship with the church triumphant,

pastor Andrew Packer.

He's senior pastor of Good Shepherd Lutheran Church

here in Collinsville, Illinois,

an author of a column for the Lutheran Witness magazine

titled The Democracy of the Dead.

Andrew, welcome.

Thanks for having me, Todd.

So you start out by discussing a very famous quote from G. K. Chesterton.

Who was he and what was his insight on church tradition and the Christians

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