What's up everybody?

This is Cortland from Andy Hackers.com and you're listening to the Andy Hackers podcast.

On this show, I talked to the founders of profitable internet businesses,

and I try to get a sense of what it's like to be in their shoes.

How do they get to where they are today?

How do they make decisions both at their companies and in their personal lives, and what makes their businesses tick? Today I am talking to Saran Ybaric, the creator of Code Newby. Serrana's had quite the winding career path. She spent years doing research, working in biochemistry on DNA. She worked at NPR, helping to write and produce one of the radio shows.

She's worked in sales and marketing and content jobs at several startups. And then she learned

how to code and worked as a developer. And today she's running Code Newby, a supportive

international community of people who are learning to code. Seran, welcome to the show and thanks for

joining me. Thanks for having me. That was a really great intro, by the way.

I feel very fulfilled in my life.

You've done a lot of stuff.

And it's funny because all the things you've done are like the exact startup skills that

you need.

You know, you've done a lot of writing.

You've done a lot of marketing.

Done all the sales.

It's come together well.

It really has. So Code Newby is a community of people learning how to code. What does that mean exactly and how does it work? Sure. So it all started from my own journey learning to code, I think it was five years ago, four years ago now, where I was learning on my own for a few months, and then I went into a boot camp.

And when I was doing it by myself, I said, oh, my goodness, this is so, it's so hard and so lonely

and so frustrating. And when you're not used to that level of consistent failure, which is how

I describe coding, it's hard not to internalize that failure, right? Like you, you keep putting something in the computer, the computer keeps saying, nope, that's not it. No, that's wrong. Oh, error, error, error. And if you aren't used to that, if you're not used to that type of feedback, then it's easy to look at that and go, wow, I must be really stupid. I must not be made for this. I must not be any good at this. I don't have a future in this. And it wasn't until I did the boot camp and I found all these other people, 44 other people who understood that journey that I said, oh, it's not me. I am not the problem. The problem is this thing called coding and the fact that it's just very, very different from anything that I've ever done. And it was really shocking to me how big of a difference it made to just be surrounded by other people who understood the ups and understood the downs. And it got me through a lot of really hard times. And so what I

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