and an exchange, anything else is much more secure, whether it's a piece of paper with the

private keys printing or a hardware wallet. It's almost like a multi-factor. I guess what,

you wear it around your neck, Graham, your little USB? No, girl, I don't know. So, Graham, where

do you have it then, Graham? I won't tell you where I'm dangling it from.

But...

Disgusting.

Smashing Security, Episode 57.

Miko, live from the sauna, talks Bitcoin Security, with Carol Terrio and Graham Cluley.

Hello, hello, and welcome to Smashing Security episode 57. My name is Graham Cluley.

And I'm Carol Terrio. And Carol, we are joined by a very special guest today. We are.

He's come all the way from it. Hopefully he's actually broadcasting from his sauna right now.

It is the one and only Mikio Hopinan. Hi, Miko. Well, hello. Hi there. Thank you for having me in Smashing Security. Miko, is he saying your name correctly? No. Say it for us, please. Well, actually, it's pretty good. But I have a very long K and a very long P. So my name is Mikko Hipponen.

Here we go.

Mikko Hippernan.

Actually, if you go to my Wikipedia page, I've had a Wikipedia editor approach me in the

Netherlands a year ago, and she wanted to record, how am I saying my own name?

And the purpose was that she wanted to put it on my Wikipedia page. So my Wikipedia page has me telling you how to say my name. Coral, could you try and say Miko's name again? Sorry, Miko's name again. Yeah. Miko Hippon. Sounds a little bit like someone's giving you the Heimlich maneuver, I have to say. I think it's quite fun. I think I'd be a happier person if everyone's name had a little hit inside it. Anyway, look, I'm sure that everybody who listens to Smashing Security knows who Miko is, but he's a celebrity of the security industry. He's a keynote speaker. He's a writer. He has a ponytail. He's a Lego-less look-alike. And he's chief research officer of F-Secure. And the closest thing to a rock star we have in this business,

isn't he? Never trust a man with a ponytail. He looks like one of the goons from diehard,

quite frankly.

How long have you had your ponytail?

I've had long hair and ponytail since my teenage years.

I had to cut it away during the military service, which is mandatory in Finland when I was 19.

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