It can be fixed. It is not the end of the world. We are not performing heart surgery. We are building a house. Like we are painting a wall. A wall can be repainted. It is okay. It is just, and Dave always says his quote, he should make it into a bumper sticker. He says it all the time. It's just sticks and bricks. That's what he says. It's just sticks and bricks.

I'm J.J. Heller. And I'm Dave Heller. And this is instrumental.

In every episode, we explore the instrumental moments that made our guest who they are today.

We hope our conversation reminds you that every second matters because none of us knows

which moment will be the one that changes everything.

Big love happens in the small moments.

Hey everybody.

Hey, everybody.

It's JJ.

It's Dave. And guess what guess what dave's picture is now on the logo i am famous

for our podcast and your name your name is also on the cover instrumental with dave and j jay jellard

i'm so happy about that my name name is actually before yours. I know.

So I'm slightly more podcast famous. Well, here's the thing, guys. This podcast, like Dave does 98% of the work.

Like he finds the guests. He sends him the microphone. He asks most of the questions that you don't hear because he edits most of that out.

And then he spends hours and hours and hours editing.

And all I have to do is be a part of the actual conversation.

So, Dave, your photo and your name need to be on this podcast.

Well, now they are.

Yay!

Instrumental with Dave and JJ Heller.

Well, JJ, who do we have on the show today?

We have a lovely woman named Jenny Mars.

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