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This is TrueCrim Bullshit.

I'm your host, Josh Hallmark, and this is a serialized story of Israel Keys.

In the autumn of 2021, I sat down to have one of many follow-up conversations with Dr.

Christopher Kunkel.

We've been in fairly steady contact since he started more seriously looking into keys

as a potential suspect in the disappearance of Susie Lyle.

And through those conversations and his general approach to understanding keys as a criminal,

he's become quite invested in keys both in relation to and individually from the Lyle

case.

And his insights and theories on keys as a criminal, person, father, and serial killer

have been incredibly profound, often aligned with my own, and deeply helpful in my own

pursuit of the truth.

Through your work with Mary Lyle, the College of St. Rose, and our work together looking

into specifically the Lyle case, you've gotten to know the keys case pretty well.

Can you tell me your thoughts on his criminal and psychological behaviors and his, I guess,

known or perceived evolution over time?

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