04: Does purgatory really exist?

Pints With Aquinas

Matt Fradd

Stthomasaquinas, Saintthomasaquinas, Mattfradd, Theology, Catholic, Dominican, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Philosophy

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🗓️ 19 April 2016

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Whether there is a Purgatory after this life?

Objection 1. It would seem that there is not a Purgatory after this life. For it is said (Apocalypse 14:13): "Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors." Therefore after this life no cleansing labor awaits those who die in the Lord, nor those who do not die in the Lord, since they cannot be cleansed. Therefore there is no Purgatory after this life.

Reply to Objection 1. The authority quoted is speaking of the labor of working for merit, and not of the labor of suffering to be cleansed.

It is said (2 Maccabees 12:46): "It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins." Now there is no need to pray for the dead who are in heaven, for they are in no need; nor again for those who are in hell, because they cannot be loosed from sins. Therefore after this life, there are some not yet loosed from sins, who can be loosed therefrom; and the like have charity, without which sins cannot be loosed, for "charity covereth all sins" [Proverbs 10:12]. Hence they will not be consigned to everlasting death, since "he that liveth and believeth in Me, shall not die for ever" [John 11:26]: nor will they obtain glory without being cleansed, because nothing unclean shall obtain it, as stated in the last chapter of the Apocalypse (verse 14). Therefore some kind of cleansing remains after this life.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Pints with a Quinus episode 4.
0:04.0	I'm Matt Fraad.
0:06.0	If you could sit down with St. Thomas Aquinas over a pint of beer and ask him any one question,
0:13.0	what would it be?
0:14.0	In today's episode, we'll ask St. Thomas the question, can we know from Scripture and reason that purgatory exists?
0:31.0	Welcome back to Pints with a Quinus.
0:35.0	This is the show where you and I pull up a bar stall next to the angelic doctor and discuss theology and philosophy.
0:43.0	And before we delve into this fourth episode, I just wanted to say that it's been so cool to hear from so many of you who have begun listening to Pints with a Quinus.
0:52.0	Big shout out to Megan and Philip from Peach Tree City in Georgia, who I met recently.
0:57.0	Thank you for letting me into your ear holes every week.
1:01.0	I'm excited to be doing this and I hope that it's a help for you.
1:05.0	I think St. Thomas Aquinas is one of these theologians and philosophers that many people that maybe shy away from.
1:11.0	We're a little nervous about reading that we think he might be too far above us in how he writes.
1:17.0	But that's not really the case, I don't think.
1:21.0	And Thomas does delve into some heavy subjects and he does use some metaphysical language that maybe a lot of people aren't familiar with.
1:30.0	But if you can just scratch through the surface there of that metaphysical language, I think we'll all find that St. Thomas is actually very easy to understand.
1:39.0	And it's been my experience as I've been reading the summa that Thomas is answering questions that I thought I was the only one who asked the question.
1:47.0	And he is answering it.
1:49.0	So anyway, great to have you with us.
1:51.0	Thanks for everyone who's been tweeting me at Matt Fraad on Twitter and stuff like that.
1:55.0	Anyway, here we go in today's episode.
1:57.0	We're going to ask St. Thomas the question about purgatory.
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