Ingram Smith, Bud Elliot, back again for another episode of the podcast, Bud, kind of

of change in our plans on the fly a little bit, want to keep from putting out an hour,

50 minutes, two hours type of podcast podcast so we're going to go ahead and

devote this conversation to to the defensive performance a lot of things that we

saw that we have to like a lot of things to be real excited about and then the

special teams which is not

not nearly the same storyline as the defense so we will make this its own

conversation at its own product and with that want to start off by mentioning Madison Social and they're the sole reason that we're able to do three different podcast a week. They're the reason we've been able to increase our coverage.

Zero rewards has certainly been very instrumental

and love the feedback that we've gotten from people

that have purchased the book.

And I would encourage you if you do purchase the book,

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dot com I'd like to share some other information with you about that but hey look it's

it's exciting to be able to talk about real football and very excited to be able to talk about what we saw from the

defensive side of the ball on Saturday night.

Ingram, this was better than the offense.

Jima Fisher talked about this.

He said it on his coaches show, the defense was better than the offense.

Why?

And I'm going to reiterate this in case you did not hear our podcast about the offense, because

Texas State's offense is actually a pretty damn

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