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Gents, stop airdropping your picks with Carol Terry O' and Graham Cluley.

Hello, hello, and welcome to episode 38 of Smashing Security for the 17th of August 2017. My name's Graham Clooney, and I'm joined as always by my gorgeous co-host, Ms. Carole Terrio. Hello, Carole, how are you? I'm wondering how you can see me, actually. I said, we're not in the same room. I just remember what you looked like. What, from four years ago when we actually hung out in person? I'm doing brilliantly. Thank you for asking. Oh, smashing. And we are joined this week by a special

guest, investigative journalist Jeff White. Normally, you're seeing him popping up on Channel 4 News or the BBC's

talking about technology, sort of cybercrimey stuff. But Jeff,

hello, welcome to the show. Hi. You are off to the Edinburgh Festival. You're doing a show called

The Secret Life of Your Mobile Phone. Tell us about yourself what you do and tell us about this show.

It sounds interesting. Well, yeah, we've managed to sort of blag our way into the Edinburgh Festival,

which is full of obviously full of Thesps and actors.

So myself and a colleague of mine called Glenn Wilkinson, who's an ethical hacker or a penetration tester to give it the more humorous name, I off up with our show to Edinburgh Festival.

So as you say, normally I cover cybersecurity full- I cover cybersecurity full time. I tend to do the more

investigative stuff, the longer term stuff. The problem we had after a while was, this whole thing

of personal data, the problem is it isn't personal data. When these mega hacks happen and millions

of records go missing or when you expose some creepy vulnerability, people look and go, well, yeah,

but that's not me, is it? It's not my phone. It's not my data. So I realize that to really make data personal, you have to

make it that person's data. And the only way to do that is in a theatre venue, like it with an audience

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