Government is dealing with big complicated problems and lots of, you know, the public and other people who've got agendas.

So guess what? It's, it is difficult stuff often. I mean, I myself have often been critical of government.

I think it's often, look, you'll gather, I'm a hyper-empirical, you know, won. I really want to know, does it, you know, work?

I'll just keep asking that question again and again, what's our evidence? And the truth is, governments across the world have not been very good at that.

They've not been very good at actually seeing if the thing that they are already doing work is working.

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someone back to work? Or what is the best way of reducing crime or reducing recidivism or anything you might want to think of

and truly applied if you like the scientific method to it you'd actually start getting answers

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