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Church History Matters

032 The Abraham Facsimile Conundrum: Is it All or Nothing?

Church History Matters

Scripture Central

Religion & Spirituality:christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.91.3K Ratings

🗓️ 10 October 2023

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

In Joseph Smith’s interpretations of the facsimiles found in our Pearl of Great Price he ties all three of them to Abraham; yet, when some modern Egyptologists look at those same facsimiles today they say they have nothing to do with Abraham: one is simply an embalming scene, one a disk representing the eye of Horus, and one a judgment scene from an Egyptian book of the dead. So, is this an either or, sudden-death scenario? Must we, in the name of honesty and rationality, pick a side? Must we either throw out modern Egyptologists by choosing to stand with the prophet Joseph on the one hand, or throw out Joseph by choosing to align with modern Egyptologists on the other? Or is there a reconciliatory third path in which both interpretations can be true at the same time? In this episode of Church History Matters, we tackle this important question by looking at some of the best scholarship on the issue. And on our way, we’ll also briefly look at something called the Kirtland Egyptian papers and discuss a minor controversy associated with those. For show notes and transcript for this and other episodes go to https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/church-history-matters-podcast/

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0:00.0

Hi, this is Scott from Church History Matters.

0:03.0

As we near the completion of this series, we want to hear your questions about the Book of

0:06.6

Abraham.

0:07.8

In two weeks we will be pleased to have as our special guest, Dr. Carey Mulesstein, to help us respond to your questions.

0:14.0

He is an Egyptologist and an author and scholar on all things related to the Book of

0:18.9

Abraham and Casey and I have drawn heavily from Dr. Mulesstein's excellent research for each of our Book of Abraham episodes in this series.

0:26.0

So, please submit your thoughtful questions any time before October 18, 2023 to podcasts at scripturecentral.org. Let us know your name, where you're from,

0:37.1

and try to keep each question as concise as possible when you email them in. That helps out

0:40.8

a lot. Okay, now on to the episode.

0:44.0

In Joseph Smith's interpretations of the facsimiles found in our Pearl of Grey Prize, he ties all three of them to Abraham.

0:56.0

Yet when some modern Egyptologists look at those same facsimiles today, they say they have nothing to do with Abraham.

1:03.0

One is simply an embalming scene, they say.

1:05.0

One a disk representing the eye of Horace,

1:08.0

and one a judgment scene from an Egyptian Book of the Dead.

1:11.0

So, is this an either or sudden death scenario?

1:15.0

Must we, in the name of honesty and rationality, take aside here?

1:19.0

Must we either throw out modern Egyptologist by choosing to stand with the prophet Joseph on the one

1:24.7

hand or throw out Joseph by choosing to align with modern Egyptologist on the other or is there

1:30.8

a reconciliation story third path in which both interpretations can be true at the same time?

1:37.0

In today's episode of Church History Matters, we tackle this important question by looking at some of the best scholarship on this issue.

1:45.1

And on our way, we'll also briefly look at something called the Kirtland Egyptian papers and

1:49.6

discuss a minor controversy associated with those.

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