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I like Dring River. He was probably the most prolific, certainly in modern times.

But it seems like he might have been another one who, the last few years, he wasn't doing anything.

He was finally caught up. I know he was already married and settled down, but I think he had been married for

part of the time. That was always...

I was always interested in those individuals that had to lead that life. It's not easy.

That's kind of what you were doing when you had them.

Right, and that's why I can say from my perspective, I know it's not easy.

I'd come to the conclusion over the last couple of years that it wasn't even an option for me anymore.

That I wasn't going to be able to cohabitate with anyone.

And why was that?

I just couldn't separate the two lives anymore.

You were still able to be a very good parent, I mean, that's obviously what you've gone away.

Right. I'm not saying my plan was realistic, but I was planning on continuing to raise her.

It's easier with a child. They have to follow the rules, whereas with your partner,

certain aspects of your life, whether they're doing it on purpose or by accident,

they're going to pry into and find out things, see things that are going to get harder and harder to explain

as the years go by. So you thought that just wasn't workable in the long run.

It was, yeah, it was just becoming less maintainable.

And like I say, my self-control wasn't...

I felt like it was no longer to a point where I could put things off till next trip or whatever.

My solution was to just make it a travel trailer and make life.

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