You're listening to episode 31 of the Sustainable Minimalized Podcast.

You are listening to the Sustainable Minimalist Podcast, a show about living simply and

sustainably with your family. Here's your host, Stephanie Safarian.

Hi there and thank you for tuning in.

Now if you follow me on social media,

you know that my personal motto is to live less out of habit and more out of

intent. That's what we're talking about today. Today my guest is Jen Panaro. She's a blogger and a mother of two

with a full-time job and she's gotten really good at rethinking the status quo. We talk about how living based on intent and saying

no to things that aren't intentional is like flexing a muscle. It gets easier the more you exercise it.

Jen brings some practical first steps for anyone who feels as though they're living out of habit

and she gets really real. who feels as though they're living out of habit.

And she gets really real, which I found both refreshing and inspiring,

and I'm pretty sure you will, too.

Now today's show notes, as they're pretty good you can find them at

mama minimalist.com forward slash zero three one mamamamamimalist.com forward com forward slash zero three 1, M-A-M-A-M-A-M-A-Min-M-A-Min.

Enjoy the episode.

Hi Jen, thank you so much for coming on today. How are you doing?

Good thanks, how are you?

I'm good. Today we are talking about the art of saying no and I found that saying no

it really is an art, a lot of times we say yes to things

simply out of obligation and so let's start by you telling us about yourself and how you got comfortable saying no.

So I am married and I have two boys who are six and four and I work for a professional services firm I've worked for them for many years and then I blog I've been blogging on the side for about five years so and that blog like all good lifestyle blogs, it started out as a kind of flailing fashion

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