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🗓️ 10 April 2017
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In the early days of my career, I (Dr. Burns) would have assumed that Mark definitely wanted to change--after all, he'd been in a lot of pain for a long time, and he came to the session because he wanted help. So, following the empathy phase of the session, I would have jumped in with a variety of cognitive therapy techniques to help Mark challenge his Negative Thoughts, such as “I’ve been a failure as a father,” or "my brain is defective." Although this might have been effective, there’s a good chance that it might not have worked. That's because Mark might have “yes-butted” me or insisted that he really was a failure and that I just wasn’t “getting it.”
In fact, the attempt to help the patient without first dealing with the patient’s resistance is the cause of nearly all therapeutic failure. But most therapists make this mistake over and over--and don't realize that their well-intentioned efforts to help actually trigger and reinforce the patient's resistance.
Instead, TEAM Therapists use a number of Paradoxical Agenda Setting (PAS) techniques designed to bring the patient’s subconscious resistance to conscious awareness. Then we melt the resistance away before attempting to change the way the patient is thinking and feeling. I (DB) have developed 15 or 20 PAS techniques, and Jill and I used several of them in our session with Mark:
When Jill and I use Positive Reframing, we are hoping that Mark will make an unexpected discovery--that his negative thoughts and feelings, such as his sadness, shame, discouragement, and inadequacy actually reflect his core values and show what a positive, awesome human being he is. In other words, he will discover that his core values are actually the source of his symptoms as well as his resistance to change.
This approach represents a radical departure from the way many psychiatrists and psychologists think about psychiatric symptoms as well as resistance. When I was a psychiatric resident, I (DB) was trained to think about resistance as something negative. For example, we may tell ourselves that resistant patients cling to their feelings of depression and worthlessness because they want attention, because they want to feel sorry for themselves, because they fear change, or because they are afraid will lose their identity if they recover. While there’s some truth in these formulations, they may not be helpful because they tend to cast the patient in a negative light, as if their symptoms and their resistance to change were somehow bad, or childish, or based on some kind of chemical imbalance in their brains. As you will see, the TEAM-CBT approach approaches resistance is radically different manner.
We will give you the chance to pause the podcast briefly and try your own hand at Positive Reframing before you hear it live during the session. Specifically, we will ask you to review Mark's Daily Mood Log, and ask yourself these two questions about each of his negative thoughts and feelings:
As you so this, make a list of as many Positives as you can on a piece of paper. See what you can come up with.
I want to warn you that it may be difficult to come up with your list of Positives at first. If so, this is good, because when you hear the next podcast, you'll have many "ah ha!" moments and it will all become quite obvious to you. Then you will have a new and deeper understanding of resistance--an understanding that can help you greatly if you are a therapist or if you are struggling with your own feelings of depression and anxiety.
Jill gives a great overview of why the paradoxical approach is necessary during the Paradoxical Agenda Setting phase of the session.
To learn more about Paradoxical Agenda Setting, you can read David’s featured article in the March / April 2017 issue of Psychotherapy Networker entitled "When Helping Doesn’t Help." You will see how he helped a woman struggling with intense depression, anxiety and rage due to decades of horrific domestic rape and violence.
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast. |
0:12.4 | I am your host, Fabrice Knight. |
0:14.7 | And joining me here in the Murrieta Studios is Dr. David Burns. |
0:19.0 | Hi, David. |
0:20.0 | Hi, Fabrice. |
0:23.8 | Dr. David Burns has been a pioneer in the development of cognitive therapy, and he is the creator of the new team therapy. He is the author of |
0:30.2 | Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States, and has been translated into |
0:35.5 | over 20 languages. He is an emeritus adjunct clinical professor |
0:40.0 | of psychiatry at the Stanford University School of Medicine. This is episode 31 of the |
0:47.2 | Feeling Good podcast, and this is part three of the live session we did with our volunteer, Mark. |
0:55.5 | It's a great session. |
0:57.3 | And so this segment that we're about to hear is about agenda setting, |
1:03.0 | and more specifically paradoxical agenda setting. |
1:06.9 | And one thing I wanted to say is that this came, especially for me, at a very serendipitous point, |
1:15.2 | because I just finished reading your article in the psychotherapy networker. |
1:20.4 | This is the March-April 2017 issue where you wrote an article called When Helping Doesn't Help, which is really about |
1:29.3 | this process. And I'll put a link in the show notes for that. |
1:35.6 | Before we talk about the segment itself, I want to say a few words about the article. |
1:42.5 | Right. Well, I talk about the, it was a great opportunity that Rich Simon, the editor of Psychotherapy |
1:48.5 | Networker, gave me to write this article. |
1:51.5 | I was very humbled and honored to have that wonderful opportunity. |
1:58.4 | And it's really about my own evolution as a therapist, how I started out with, you know, |
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