Welcome to episode 30 of the first 40 miles. If you're new to

backpacking or if you're hopelessly in love with someone who

wants you to love backpacking, then this podcast is for you. We'll talk about the essentials, how to lighten your load,

and how to make the most of your time on the trail.

I'm your host, Heather Legler.

And I'm Josh Legler.

And this is the first 40 miles.

Today on the first 40 miles, the top five ways to kick the stories and the one-uping

into high gear around the campfire.

Then on the summit gear review, we'll share a multi-use spare canister

that may help you cook dinner.

On the backpack hack of the week, we'll show you how to carry oil in a way that is 99.99% leakproof.

And we'll wrap up the show with a little trail wisdom from our good friend on the trail science fiction writer Frank Herbert.

All this and that's about it today on the first 40 miles.

So Josh, do you remember that song from the musical Oklahoma,

The Farmer and the Cowman should be friends?

Oh, that's a great one.

Yeah, I love that.

The whole idea of that song was that the farmer and the cowman both really wanted land

out west, but they wanted to use the land in different ways and I kind of see a similar

situation out on the trail and that is the hikers and the bikers. And we'll throw in the horse people too, the equestrians.

So right now there's a little bit of a,

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