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Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

028: Scared Stiff — The Motivational Model (Part 6)

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

David Burns, MD

Clinical, Therapy, Anxiety, Psychotherapy, Depression, Health & Fitness, Cognitive, Mentalhealth, Mental Health, Behavior, Education, Self-improvement, Psychology, Relationships, Addiction, Happiness, Personalgrowth

4.4856 Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2017

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

The key is bringing the patient’s subconscious resistance to conscious awareness, and melting it away with paradoxical techniques. This is absolutely critical if you are hoping to see a complete elimination of symptoms in any type of anxiety.

You may recall that the Outcome Resistance for anxiety disorders usually results Magical Thinking—the anxious patient may be suffering intensely and asking for help, but secretly believes that something terrible will happen if the treatment is successful and the anxiety disappears. In other words, most anxious individuals are convinced that the anxiety is protecting him or her from some catastrophic event.

David brings this concept to life with a dramatic description of his treatment of a young man named Sam who’d been struggling with intense PTSD—Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder— for six months following a traumatic interaction with two sadistic gunmen.

David and Fabrice also discuss metaphors for understanding how healing actually occurs. Most therapists think of depression and anxiety as mountains that have evolved slowly, over years or decades. They sometimes also believe that treatment and recovery will also requires years and years of treatment, with very slow progress. Of course, if the therapist and patient believe this it will function as a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In sharp contrast, David describes a new way to think about recovery, as something extremely rapid, a personal transformation that happens suddenly, within a very brief time period within a therapy session. But this remarkable phenomenon is only possible when the patient’s resistance to change has been skillfully and compassionately addressed by the therapist. At that point, the patient and therapist are on the same TEAM, working together collaboratively. Then, amazing changes can often unfold quickly.

Plans for future Feeling Good Podcasts will include a series of fascinating podcasts that will feature an actual live therapy session, with David and his colleague, Dr. Jill Levitt, acting as co-therapists, including commentaries on how each step of T.E.A.M. is being implemented. This will give you the unique opportunity to look behind closed doors so you can observe actual healing taking place.

In addition, a future “Ask David” podcast is planned, as well as a podcast on “The Truth about Benzodiazepines,” plus podcasts featuring more treatment methods for anxiety such as Interpersonal Exposure Techniques and Cognitive Flooding. Dr. Burns also promises a fascinating Feeling Good Podcast on the use of the Five Secrets of Effective Communication with violent individuals who are threatening, hostile, and dangerous.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast.

0:12.4

I am your host, Fabrice Knight.

0:14.7

And joining me here in the Murrieta Studios is Dr. David Burns.

0:19.0

Hi, David.

0:20.0

Hi, Fabrice.

0:23.8

Dr. David Burns has been a pioneer in the development of cognitive therapy, and he is the creator of the new team therapy. He is the author of

0:30.2

Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States, and has been translated into

0:35.5

over 20 languages. He is an emeritus adjunct clinical professor of psychiatry at the Stanford University School of Medicine.

0:44.3

Okay, so today we are going to look at the fourth model of anxiety.

0:53.3

And correct me if I'm wrong, wrong David this is going to be the

0:56.9

motivational model right absolutely yeah okay great so how do we use this model in the

1:04.0

treatment of anxiety then right by the way good morning Fabrice oh good yes. And we have one or two little announcements before we dive into this final edition on the treatment of anxiety.

1:18.7

We'll have a lot more in the future on interpersonal exposure techniques and on, you know, benzodiazepines, you know, the truth about benzodiazepine,

1:30.5

should they be used in the treatment of anxiety, drugs like Xanax and Valium that are so

1:35.8

intensely popular, and a lot of really fun additional topics on anxiety, but we'll save them

1:43.8

for some future podcasts. So we get onto different

1:48.4

kinds of topics since we've had several on anxiety. And then the other announcement is that

1:55.0

we want to remind people about a couple of things. First, we're giving kind of an overview here of treatment of anxiety and

2:05.1

depression kind of to whet your appetite. Some of you may want to dig deeper, whether you're

2:13.9

coming from the point of view of a therapist wanting training or an individual

2:17.7

wanting personal healing for your own depression or anxiety or relationship problems.

2:24.2

If you're a therapist wanting more training, you can go to my website, Feeling Good.com,

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