I'm J.J. Heller, and this is Instrumental, a show about the big and small moments that shape our lives.

In every episode, my guest and I start near the end of their story and work our way back to the beginning.

I hope our conversation reminds you that every second matters, because none of us knows which moment will be the one that changes everything.

Big love happens in the small moments.

Hey everybody, it's JJ.

And her husband, Dave.

And we are excited about this episode today.

We have a special guest.

They're all kind of special, aren't they?

They are very special.

Well, that's why I like this podcast so much.

This one's extra special, though.

Aren't they all a little extra special?

Just like everyone else.

Our guest this week is one of only nine remaining Master Penman.

I told you he was extra special.

In the world.

He's had an incredible career, but right at the beginning of his career, we met him at a camp.

Yeah.

I remember that you walked up to me and you had a piece

of paper in your hand and it had like this beautiful flowing script on it and you were like,

this guy came up to me and said he was a master penman. I don't know what that means, but look at what

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