Hey y'all just a quick heads up the episode you're about to listen to is 8 to 10 years old

now these episodes were intended to be evergreen and I still believe there's a lot of good

information in these early episodes, but I do want to let you know that some of my ideas have evolved

over time. Times have changed since we made these episodes and ultimately I'd like to think I've grown

a lot as an artist and a human and that these don't necessarily represent my best work or the best of the podcast.

If you're new around here, I suggest starting with the most recent episode or

at least go back to around 300 and move forward from there.

Enjoy the episode. Yes, all right. It's the Creative Pep Talk Podcast with me and E. J. Miller. I'm a graphic illustrator.

And if you want to see my work, just Google my name.

I think it's the first link that comes up there.

Just go check it out.

If that's something you want to check out.

This podcast, you can find it on illustration age.com slash creative

pep talk if you want to find it online. That's a great place to find

inspiration for illustrators.

Let's get down to business.

Okay, here is the thing.

I feel like what we're all looking for is the thing that we can do with our life, with our work, that there's just this big demand for.

Like there's nothing for me more discouraging than trying to, you know, put all this time and energy into something and then nobody really

seems to care about it. And you know, for me that's a thing. And I think if you're a commercial

artist or you want to be a commercial artist, that's a big deal.

Like if you want to make work and get paid for it, there's got to be a demand.

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