You're listening to episode 22 of the Sustainable Minimalist podcast.

You are listening to the Sustainable Minimalist Podcast, a show about living simply and

sustainably with your family. Here's your host, Stephanie Safarian.

Hello there and welcome back. Now if you're interested in decluttering your home,

chances are real good you've heard of Marie Condo.

She's the author of the best-selling book, The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up, and she's the

founder of the hugely popular Con-Mari method of

Tidying. Now, the Con-Mari method has an almost cult-like following because

people who have decluttered the Conmaray way swear that

they have decluttered their home, their health, their wealth, and their overall well-being for good. There's no setbacks, there's no

relapses in terms of clutter. I do not have Marie Condo on today's show, but I do have the next best thing. two women who have dedicated themselves to the Con-Mari way of life.

Karen Sochi is a psychotherapist turned Con-Wari consultant and she studied under Marie Marie condo herself. I also have Kristen Ivy

who is the first certified con-mari Tidying Consult in Chicago. Together Karen and Kristen co-host The Spark Joy Podcast, which is all about exploring

the world of Con-Mari and how the method improves lives.

Now, before we hop right in to today's interview,

I quickly want to mention that it's almost June, and June is my birthday month. So I am

celebrating with a four-week sustainability challenge group. I know what you're

thinking. Oh my goodness, Four weeks challenge group. It sounds daunting, but it's totally not. First of all, it's free. I send out four emails with four challenges and each challenge comes with a laundry list of suggestions

to help you complete that week's challenge.

Now my June Challenge Group is all about sustainability. So if you've been

listening to this podcast for a while and you've been thinking to yourself that

you'd really like to get serious about living a slightly more

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