You know what? Screw it. If I don't do something with this, if I don't just get started

and figure this thing out, I'm never going to do anything that I said my mind to.

I'd make some piece of advice. Figure it out, just make it happen as Nike would say, just do it.

So what do you do today and what's your general background?

Yeah, you know, I started my career in advertising. That's really what I wanted to be. When I grew up,

so to speak, it was an ad guy that sort of evolved over the years, but it's always kind of stuck

in the back of my mind and really is kind of directed to the path of my career in terms of marketing.

I think early on, I decided that in order to get sales, it's a lot easier when people come to you

versus when you're trying to convince them. So marketing was always a natural thing for me. It's like,

I like it better when people come and not on my door at Perth Advice Versa. And so that's kind of what

led me in the direction of like Lee Jen, growth, you know, those some of those things. You know,

about six years ago, I had an idea for a company called WooHooly. And essentially what it was is

an equity exchange. So in exchange for the influence that you bring to the table, a startup would

give you a small percentage of equity in exchange for how impactful you are towards their brand.

And so that was really kind of my first start into tech based startups. Kind of wish I would have

started sooner because I got hooked ever since then. WooHooly ended up last, you know, the two

years or so raised, you know, with decent amount of money, a seed round went into an accelerator,

called AngelPad out of San Francisco. And ultimately that shut down. About a year later,

I was able to salvage some of that emergent with a company called Loot, which is a sort of an

incentive based app for influencers. Those very similar in this space, except there wasn't any

equity involved as compensation. That was in San Francisco. I mean, where are you at today and

how did you get over there? Yeah, that was interesting. So I'm based in Minnesota. So when we started

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