Welcome back. This is episode 20 of Books Closed.

This episode is sponsored by Tattoo Smart, your resource for digital tattoo design tools and machine machine

online video workshops that teach you how to be smarter than your tattoo machine.

Before we start, I want to remind you that we've teamed up with Tattoo Smart for a giveaway.

You can go to Booksclosedpodcast.com and enter to win a $500 gift card to Tatoo Smart along

with some books closed swag. With $500 from Tatoo Smart, you can load up on a shit ton of digital design tools.

And if you haven't checked them out yet, this could be a great opportunity.

So go to Booksclosedpodcast.com and enter to win the $500 gift card from TattooSmart.

The contest ends on March 10th, so make sure you go enter now, and the winner will

be announced on this very show the following day. Now, now that we've taken care of all the

matters of housekeeping, after the episode we had last time around, I'd say we all need to

take a deep breath. Let's calm it down. The world is not coming crumbling down around us, although

you feel like it at times. So let's sit down with tattoo or Lindsay Carmichael and have a good

old-fashioned conversation about that tat life. I met up with Lindsay recently on his 27th

tattoo anniversary while he was doing a guest spot in New York City at Five Points Tattoo.

And our conversation sounds a little bit like this.

We're here in Brooklyn.

We're here.

I want to say thank you very much for having me.

It means very much to me to be able to do this and that you've asked.

I am super proud to be able to say that I came and did it, and I really appreciate it.

I want to say thank you very much.

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