Hello, hello and welcome to the Keto Answers podcast. I'm your house, Dr. Anthony Gustin. And this week joining me is Dr. William Bill Davis. You might know Dr. Davis's work from his books like Wheat Valley, but he's a quite an exuberant guy and he has been taking on the establishment of the medical community head on for many years now.

In this episode, we chat about a lot of stuff, including what we're using or have used in the past for blood markers and why there's some miscommunication and misinformation from most physicians when they order your blood and how they interpret it and how they recommend you make health interventions.

This guy is one of the most fascinating characters in all of health today and he's always in the cutting edge and trying to learn something new. I always learn something when I talk to him and I don't think this is any exception for you either.

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That being said, let's give them a show.

Doc, thanks for joining me on the show today.

Oh, my pleasure.

So you are a trained as a cardiologist, correct?

That's right. Starting out in what's called interventional cardiology, number of years back, which is all the heart procedures.

Okay, great. So you are also one of the first people to be outspoken against grains and wheat in our diet.

Can you just tell us a little bit about that and kind of how you made the discovery and went through that and how it reflect maybe in your practice?

Yeah, this goes back a little over 20 years ago when we set up what was called a heart scan device, CT heart scan device actually was the original heart scan device, which was called the electron beam tomography device, an eBT device or what some call an ultra fast CT because the hearts moving object.

And if you want to measure plaque, if you want to precisely quantify atherosclerotic plaque in the car and arteries, these arteries are about three millimeters wide.

They're actively moving. So it's very difficult to measure plaque, precise and track it over time.

Well, this device was the first device that could do that.

We started track a lot of people, thousands of people in my area, the Milwaukee area is one of the first scanners in the country.

And it became clear that when you put when you do the conventional things put people, this is 20 some years ago, put people on statin drugs, aspirin, beta blocker, cut their fat, exercise, all that stuff.

It does not work. It's a miserable other failure. We help publish some of those data and to remain to ever since you can throw all the statin drugs you want, for instance, at people's heart scan scores, but the score will increase 25 to 30% per year.

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