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ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

013 | The Unfair (FI) Advantage Of Teachers: 457b Plans

ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

Jonathan Mendonsa & Brad Barrett | Choose FI Media, Inc

Careers, Investing, Business

4.8 β€’ 5.2K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 6 March 2017

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Most middle-class state employees have no idea they're sitting on a retirement goldmine. Public service jobs β€” teaching, firefighting, police work β€” come with 403(b) and 457 plans that let you save vastly more than a typical 401(k), slash your tax bill to near-zero, and access retirement funds without penalties the moment you leave your job. Yet almost no one talks about stacking these accounts to build seven-figure wealth. Ed, the Millionaire Educator, turned a $45,000 debt hole into millionaire status by exploiting these exact advantages. He breaks down how 403(b) and 457 plans function as parallel tax shelters, why 72(t) distributions unlock early access to IRA funds penalty-free, and how controlling your taxable income in retirement gives you total leverage over your tax rate. His annual "free money" strategy shows public employees how to minimize taxes while maximizing contributions β€” a blueprint that works whether you're 25 or 45. Chapters Introduction to Millionaire Educator [00:00:52] Ed's Journey and Background [00:02:15] Understanding 403B and 457 Plans [00:09:04] Using 72T Distributions [00:20:43] Final Thoughts and Strategies [00:43:57] Key Insights 403(b) and 457 Plans: Double Your Tax-Advantaged Space [00:09:04] Public employees can contribute to both a 403(b) and a 457(b) in the same year, effectively doubling their tax-deferred savings capacity. 457 plans also allow penalty-free withdrawals at any age once you leave your employer β€” a massive advantage for early retirees. "Educating yourself on 403Bs can uncover an unfair financial advantage." [00:09:25] 72(t) Distributions for Early Access [00:20:43] 72(t) distributions (Substantially Equal Periodic Payments) let you withdraw from traditional IRAs before age 59Β½ without the 10% penalty. By calculating a fixed annual withdrawal based on IRS life expectancy tables, you can bridge the gap between early retirement and traditional retirement age. "How can I avoid penalties on early withdrawals?" [00:32:04] Control Your Tax Rate in Retirement [00:25:18] By keeping taxable income low through strategic withdrawals, deductions, and Roth conversions, you determine your effective tax rate. Living on a modest budget while drawing from tax-advantaged accounts means paying little to no federal income tax. "Smart financial planning gives you control over your tax liabilities." [00:25:18] Teaching Abroad to Eliminate Debt [00:02:15] Ed paid off $45,000 in debt by teaching ESL in Saudi Arabia, where housing and food were covered and income was largely tax-free. Aggressive overseas assignments can accelerate debt repayment and jumpstart savings. Avoid Debt as the Best Investment [00:29:07] Every dollar of debt avoided earns an instant, risk-free return equal to the interest rate. Dodging student loans or car payments compounds wealth faster than most market investments. "Avoiding debt is the ultimate investment for your future!" [00:29:07] Action Steps Explore whether your employer offers both 403(b) and 457(b) options β€” maximize contributions to both if available [00:09:25] Research 72(t) distribution rules if you plan to retire early and need IRA access before 59Β½ [00:20:43] Calculate your projected retirement expenses to determine how much taxable income you'll need β€” aim to stay in the lowest bracket [00:27:06] Quotes "Following his advice could ensure that teachers, firefighters, and police officers retire as millionaires!" [00:01:17] "It's never too late to start learning and making changes, even if you're in your 30s!" [00:05:35] Resources Millionaire Educator On Mutual Funds by John C. Bogle Cashing In on the American Dream by Paul Terhorst β–Ά Listen Next: Ep. 015 β€” Second-Generation Financial Independence and College Planning | Essential Listening

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Choose a Fire Radio Podcast, Episode 13, the unfair fire advantage of being a teacher.

0:05.6

You're listening to Choose a Fire Radio.

0:10.2

The blueprint for financial independence lives here.

0:21.0

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0:26.0

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0:31.3

off-amps through you and taking control of their lives in the pursuit of financial independence.

0:37.0

Choose a fire, you're home for financial independence online.

0:41.2

So I'm back in the studio today with Brad and today we also have with us a millionaire educator.

0:56.9

This guy is just killing it and he's doing something that no one else is talking about.

1:01.2

And every single teacher, firefighter, police officer, another state employee should be

1:06.5

imitating this guy because he has got something that nobody else is discussing.

1:11.9

And specifically I'm talking about his free money article that he post every single year.

1:16.9

I heard him eight months ago on a mad scientist podcast and he literally blew my mind.

1:23.7

And I haven't heard anybody else talk about tax optimization the way that he talks about it.

1:28.4

And if you follow his advice, you can be a teacher, firefighter, police officer.

1:32.8

And there's like zero chance that you can't retire a millionaire if you start implementing just

1:37.3

a few of the principles that he goes over and we're going to start talking about those today.

1:41.6

So I'm very excited to have him here. Welcome Ed, welcome to the studio.

1:45.2

Hey, great. Thanks for having me.

1:47.4

I think you are just recently back from Cancun. Am I right about that?

1:51.4

Yeah, we just spent two months in Mexico, Cancun and small town north of

1:56.7

Mery, the Mexico called Progreso. And we're back visiting family. We plan going back

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